I would think older than the 1940's i have had or may still have an xe's around. Pictures would help condition would give value.a few here can give you the sites to get you close. I have many doubles and buy by condition and extras like solid rib, barrel length, chokes, ledger changes, wood condition, an owl head on the butt plate.not age alone.
The only ones i stay away from the ones with embossed butt plates no owl oldest style.takedowns.soft receive medals. Early black powder or smokeless loads. I want shooters.the gradual taper choked from chamber to end of barrel is great for hunting and shooting matches for standard un fixed guns. I have very expensive shotguns and its great to see american design and machining compete with ultra expensive modern guns. Iver johnson single barrel serial numbers Posted by: Anonymous User (IP Logged) Date: January 07, 2009 10:36AM during the 1940's and 1950's iver johnson used letters only in the serial numbers on their single barrel Champion shotguns.
There have been several posts here and on other forums as to what these letters mean. Thanks to the help of a former employee of iver johnson mr. Ray chatigny i now have the key to these letters. Chatigny started at iver johnson in 1954 and worked there until 1961 when he moved to Harrington & Richardson. He stayed with H&R until his retirement in 2004.
Chatigny has informed me that when he first started at iver johnson one of his jobs was to serial numbering champion single barrel shotguns (by hand stamping these letters). The key to the letters seems to be the word FITCHBURG and until some factory documentation comes along to prove otherwise i am going to have to believe what he says is truthful. Everyone of the shotguns with the letters only serial number i have recorded in my research also seems to verify the key word FITCHBURG was used along with X=0. Here is the key; F=1 I=2 T=3 C=4 H=5 B=6 U=7 R=8 G=9 X=0 mr. Chatigny has been a big help in my knowledge about iver johnson, for which i thank him. L Last edited by DK PHILLIPS; at 03:56 PM.
SOLD LSB#: 160701GD06 Make: Iver Johnson Arms & Cycle Works Model: Skeeter Serial Number: 25510 Year of Manufacture: 1927-1941, there is no established database of serial number dates. Gauge: 12 Gauge, 2 ¾” Shells Action Type: Side by Side, Box Lock, Dual Non-Selective Trigger Shotgun with Tang Safety & Extractor Markings: The underside of the forend catch is marked with a circled “P”, the underside barrel set flat is marked with the serial number and “F / O”. The left side of the receiver is marked “IVER / JOHNSON / SKEETER”, the watertable is marked “PATENTED / MAR. 16, 1915 / APR 27, 1915 / S” and the serial number, the right side is marked “IVER JOHNSON’S / ARMS & CYCLE WORKS / FITCHBURG MASS.
U.S.A.” The top of the forend is marked with the serial number. The recoil pad is marked “RED HEAD BRAND / CHICAGO / PATENT APPLIED FOR” with a duck.
Barrel Length: 28”, with solid serrated rib. Choke: Both bores are choked Skeet.
Sights / Optics: This shotgun is mounted with a larger white bead, screwed into the rib, with a smaller white mid-rib bead. Stock Configuration & Condition: The stocks are a two piece American black walnut set with exceptional grain and tone variation. The beavertail forend has flank checkering and shows some scattered light to moderate depth scuff and compression marks. The butt stock has a flank checkered strait wrist and fluted comb. The stock has scattered light handling marks as photographed. The stocks are free from cracks and major damages.
Acronis true image 2014 bootable iso free download full version. Drop at comb is 1 3/8”, drop at heel is 2 3/8”. The LOP measures 13 1/8” from the front of the rear trigger and 14 1/8” from the front of the forward trigger to the back of the red ventilated rubber shotgun-style recoil pad; the pad is set with a black spacer, both items have nice fit to the stock; the pad is supple, showing only light scuffs, rating in about Excellent condition as not original to the shotgun. The stocks rate in about Fine Plus overall condition. Type of Finish: Blued Finish Originality: Factory Original Bore Condition: The bores are bright; there are a few very small bumps present from marks on the outside of the barrel set. There is no erosion.
Overall Condition: This shotgun retains about 85% of its metal finish. The balance of the finish shows handling wear on the lower tang, trigger guard, receiver and portions of the barrel; some of the surfaces are shifting to a plum patina with instances of brown patina. The barrel set has some light spots and thinning at the muzzles. The serrated rib has a few dings, the barrels have a few marks that translated as very small bumps on the inside of the bores. There are some bruises on the forward part of the trigger guard plate. The screw head slots have light tooling and are highly serviceable. The markings are crisp.
Overall, this shotgun rates in about Fine Plus to Excellent condition condition. Mechanics: The action functions correctly. The shotgun has dual non-selective triggers, a tang-mounted safety that returns to ‘safe’ when the action is opened and an extractor. The shotgun weighs 7lbs 5oz. We have not fired this shotgun. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance standards. Box, Paperwork & Accessories: None Our Assessment: Iver Johnson produced the Skeeter from 1927 to 1941 with instant success.
The company, more known for its utilitarian revolvers and single shot shotguns, had outdone themselves with the fancy American black walnut stocks and overall fit and finish of the model. This shotgun is in Fine Plus to Excellent condition, with about 85% of its blued finish remaining, bright bores that are free of erosion and beautiful stocks. The action functions correctly, the dual bead solid rib and strait wrist give comfortable, swift sighting and the action has no movement in full lockup. This is a great find for collectors but given its configuration and looks, it will appeal to hobbyists who are into Skeet shooting as well. Please see our pictures and good luck. Lock, Stock and Barrel Investments specializes in the acquisition and sale of firearms, firearms paraphernalia and military / war memorabilia. We acquire items of any vintage and any condition from estates for any liquidation purpose.
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Made dozens of.38 revolvers, so tell me which model you have and I can tell you what the book says. Is it a top break, or solid frame? Is it hammerless or has a visible hammer? Is it 5 shot or 6? Small frame or large frame? Type of hard rubber grip logo? The book publisher lists a phone number in the book of 602-636-4456, so perhaps you can call them to see if the book is still available.
I've seen new copies at Gun shows on the book dealer's tables. 5 shot.38 S&W (large frame) Top break hammerless with trigger safety. Owl head facing forward. I can provide a picture later on tonight if that would be helpful at all.
The only markings are on the barrel rib. I did take off the grips for the serial number (number is also under the topstrap when you remove the cylinder) There is another marking before the serial number but it is quite ways away. Looks like a 'D' Here's a couple pix: The nickel plating at the muzzle literally peels away with my fingernail. I guess IJs finish quality wasn't quite up to par with S&W or Colt, but then again they were only 1/3 of the price.
Any idea how to get the rust off the bad parts of the finish so it looks more 'in the white' in these areas? Overall the gun doesn't look like it was fired very much. There is some pitting in the barrel but all of the plating is still intact in the chambers. Actually, even though the barrel is pitted you can still see plenty of plating in the bore. Looks like someone fired it a few times and didn't clean it very well, then threw it in a drawer for 100 years. Also the action is very crisp and tight. Lockup of the cylinder is very good.
Twaits - Perfect! Just the information I was looking for. The serial number prefix is a 'D'.
Your gun is a Large Frame 2nd Model Hammerless 4th Variation designed for blackpowder. It was made in 1901 between serial numbers D33001-D66500 with 33,500 made that year. There were 600,000 total made of the Lage Frame 2nd Model Hammerless guns. TIP HERE: Any IJ or H&R that has the caliber markings on the side of the barrel are designed for smokeless powder. If there are no markings then it was designed for blackpowder. The finish on their guns is just the same as any other manufacturer, such as S&W.
The nickel flaking off and the pitted bore are most likely the result of the old corrosive ammunition of the era. These guns were cheap and most people didn't care about them so most never got cleaned after being used.
The other possibility as to the nickel flaking off is someone in the past may have been cleaning the outside of it with a gun solvent. NEVER use any kind of gun solvents or ammonia on a nickel plated gun.
Nickel is bonded to the metal by means of copper powder. Solvents and ammonia dissolves the copper once it is able to get underneath the nickel. As for the rust, you might want to try a gun polish or perhaps Flitz. You will never to be able to get it all off. I say your gun is worth somewhere in the $100 to $150 range given its condition. Even though this a blackpowder gun, most people, including myself, shoot modern smokeless.38 S&W through them.
They are factory loaded to the equivalent, or sometimes less, of the original blackpowder loads. Twaits - Perfect! Just the information I was looking for.
The serial number prefix is a 'D'. Your gun is a Large Frame 2nd Model Hammerless 4th Variation designed for blackpowder. It was made in 1901 between serial numbers D33001-D66500 with 33,500 made that year. There were 600,000 total made of the Lage Frame 2nd Model Hammerless guns.
TIP HERE: Any IJ or H&R that has the caliber markings on the side of the barrel are designed for smokeless powder. If there are no markings then it was designed for blackpowder. The finish on their guns is just the same as any other manufacturer, such as S&W. The nickel flaking off and the pitted bore are most likely the result of the old corrosive ammunition of the era. These guns were cheap and most people didn't care about them so most never got cleaned after being used. The other possibility as to the nickel flaking off is someone in the past may have been cleaning the outside of it with a gun solvent. NEVER use any kind of gun solvents or ammonia on a nickel plated gun.
Nickel is bonded to the metal by means of copper powder. Solvents and ammonia dissolves the copper once it is able to get underneath the nickel. As for the rust, you might want to try a gun polish or perhaps Flitz.
You will never to be able to get it all off. I say your gun is worth somewhere in the $100 to $150 range given its condition.
Iver Johnson Champion Serial Number
Even though this a blackpowder gun, most people, including myself, shoot modern smokeless.38 S&W through them. They are factory loaded to the equivalent, or sometimes less, of the original blackpowder loads.
Jsmith Thanks very much Jsmith. I actually joined 'thefirearmsforum' and got basically the same info from Bill the guy that wrote the book on IJ guns. Anyway, I appreciate your input.
Here's a couple more pics if you are interestesed.
Advertisement for revolver claimed to be safe enough to be near babies. Iver Johnson was born in in the year 1841, in, county, and later emigrated from Norway to the United States.
He was educated as a in in 1857 and had a gun store in. He married Mary Elizabeth Speirs (born January 1847 ) on April 9, 1868, in Worcester, with whom he had 3 sons (Frederick Iver, John Lovell, and Walter Olof) and 2 daughters (Mary Louise and Nellie). Iver Johnson immigrated to from Norway in 1863 at the height of the. Johnson was a gunsmith by trade at the time, but also worked as an inventor in his spare time, which would come in handy later on as he sought new and creative uses for his partially idle manufacturing equipment, a thought process which would eventually lead him and his heirs to diversify the corporation's businesses. His early work involved not only gunsmithing locally in Worcester, MA, but it also included providing designs and work to other firearms companies, notably Allen & Wheelock for whom he made so-called ' pistols. Johnson Bye & Company In 1871, Johnson joined Martin Bye to form the Johnson Bye & Company, merging his own and Martin Bye's gunsmithing operations.
During this period, Johnson and Bye filed for and received several new firearms features and firearms feature improvement patents. Their primary revenues came from the sale of their self designed and manufactured inexpensive models of revolvers.
Not much is known about Martin Bye, as there is very little documented information about his life. Bye and Johnson filed jointly for and were awarded multiple patents together, mostly related to firearms designs, beginning in 1876. The company's name changed to Iver Johnson & Company in 1883 upon Johnson's purchase of Bye's interest in the firm. Bye continued to work in the firearm industry for the remainder of his life. Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works The company's name changed again to Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works in 1891, when the company relocated to, (sometimes incorrectly referred to as 'Fitzburg') in order to have better and larger manufacturing facilities. The company attracted a number of talented immigrant machinists and designers to its ranks, including and Andrew Fyrberg, who would go on to invent the company's top-latching strap mechanism and the Hammer-the-Hammer transfer bar safety system used on the company's popular line of top-break safety revolvers. Iver Johnson died of tuberculosis in 1895, and his sons took over the business.
Frederick Iver, (born 10/2/1871), John Lovell (born 6/26/1876), and Walter Olof (born August 1878), each had vastly different levels of involvement in the company ranging from executive leadership to barely any involvement at all. They shepherded the company through a phase of expansion, as bicycle operations grew, then converted to motorcycle manufacturing and sales. They also saw the growth of the firearms business and the eventual restructuring of the company to focus on firearms and related business as they divested non-firearms concerns, such as the motorcycle business, in the face of growing firearms demand, 's armaments industry expansion, and other factors. As family ownership waned and outside investment via publicly traded stock and mergers/acquisitions/partnerships took hold, the company changed ownership and moved several times during its operation. The company eventually dropped 'Cycle Works' from its moniker when that part of the business was shut down.
The business successfully weathered the (in part thanks to higher rates of armed robbery, which helped maintain demand for personal firearms) and was buoyed by the dramatic increase in the market for arms leading up to and during. After World War II, the company's introduction of new firearms slowed to a trickle. Increasingly, company fortunes depended upon sales of its increasingly outmoded revolvers and single-barrel shotguns. Without new research and development, most firearms changes were limited to cosmetic updates of existing designs.
As a result of changes in ownership, the company had the first of two major relocations in 1971 when it moved to New Jersey. It moved again to, and was jointly owned by Lynn Lloyd and Lou Imperato, who also owned the Henry brand name, before it finally ceased trading under its own name in 1993, at which time it was owned by (AMAC). Iver Johnson firearm models. Third Model Safety Hammerless.38 S&W Iver Johnson nomenclature refers to its top-break revolvers as Safety Automatics.
These are, not, which they largely pre-date. The term 'Safety Automatic' refers to Iver Johnson's Hammer-the-Hammer transfer bar safety system ('safety') and the automatic ejection of cartridges upon breaking open the revolvers ('automatic'). Safety automatic Standard models with external hammer:. First Model (1894–1895), single post latch system.
Second Model (1896–1908), double post latch system. Third Model (1909–1941), double post latch system, adapted for. Iver Johnson Safety Automatic 'New Model' Mid 20th century Calibers.22/.32 Long/.38 S&W.
This variation with the pictured 'Western' grips was catalogued in the 1940 Shooter's Bible. Safety automatic hammerless. First Model (1895–1896), single post latch. Second Model (1897–1908), safety lever added to face of trigger. Third Model a.k.a. New Model (1909–1941), no safety lever on trigger, adapted for Assassinations William McKinley assassination Presidential assassin shot and fatally wounded in on September 6, 1901 with an Iver Johnson Safety Automatic revolver (serial number 463344). (McKinley succumbed to these wounds nearly eight days later, at 2:15 am on the 14th of September).
The revolver is currently on display at the in Buffalo. Roosevelt attempted assassination In 1933, shot and killed Chicago mayor at a political event in Miami, in an apparent attempt to assassinate president-elect. Zangara was using a.32 revolver by the United States Revolver Company, a subsidiary of Iver Johnson.
Robert Kennedy assassination shot and killed Presidential candidate in on 5 June 1968 with an eight-shot Iver Johnson Cadet 55-A revolver (serial number H-53725, Trial-People's Exhibit #6, misidentified in trial testimony as S/N H-18602). The revolver as well as the official police files, reports, interviews, ballistics reports, bullet fragments and other important evidence, related to Kennedy's assassination, is today housed in the in.
Bicycles. Iver Johnson Arms & Cycle Works - 'Honest cycles at honest prices' - 1897 Iver Johnson bicycles are classic examples of early American bicycles, and during the bicycle boom of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the company had a very productive bicycle manufacturing and sales line of business.
Today, Iver Johnsons are considered to be 'classics' by vintage bicycle collectors, and are considered to be especially pleasing from an aesthetic point of view. Worked in the bicycle plant and then started his own firearms factory. Even when they were new, I-J's were marketed and had a reputation for being very graceful looking, well built, and engineered for performance. Iver Johnson sponsored the career of bicycle racing champion beginning in 1900. The most noted I-J model was the truss-bridge frame which featured a curved tube under the top tube to strengthen the frame for use on the rough roads of the early twentieth century. Bicycle production ceased in 1940 with the buildup of arms production prior to World War II. Today, Iver Johnson bicycles are highly collectible, well sought after, and relatively rare compared to most other major manufacturer's products from that time.
An Iver Johnson bicycle is on display at the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History in the America on the Move exhibit. Motorcycles Launched in Fitchburg, MA in 1907, The Iver Johnson Company motorcycle division was born from the conversion of a line of business that had been manufacturing bicycles for some 23 years prior to that point. Ultimately, the arms division of the business was growing so rapidly to meet demand that management decided to focus on that market and as a result motorcycle operations closed in 1916 (varying sources claim the last year as being 1915, with 1916 seeing only the sales of remaining 1915 produced inventory), bringing to an end 33 years of total cycle operations (23 for bicycles, and another 10 for motorcycle and run-off bicycle business).
According to Jeffry L'H. Tank's History of the Motorcycle, Iver Johnson advertised their machines as 'Mechanical Perfection,' a boast that was not entirely unbelievable given the number of advanced design features in especially their later models, such as dual crankshafts, nickel-alloy machined parts, chain drive, and a hand-operated three-speed gearbox. In fact, among collectors and researchers who have the benefit of hindsight, Iver-Johnsons, such as the 1915 Model 15-7 along with, are the finest examples of motorcycle engineering of that era. End of Iver Johnson and revival of name Though all vestiges of Iver Johnson as a going concern are now gone as of 1993, there is still a great deal of interest in the company and the collection of their products, although that interest is focused on their firearms business and not their motorcycle business.
Where their motorcycles are collected, they are collected as examples of early motorcycles (as is the case with the products of many of the companies from the early days of the industry) and in an effort to catalog all of the early manufacturers, not so much out of inherent interest in Iver Johnson motorcycles themselves. In 2006 the name was reused as Iver Johnson Arms Incorporated in Florida as manufacturer and importer of firearms (from, and ), including 1911-style semi-automatic pistols, but not related to the old Iver Johnson lines. The new firm was renamed from Squires Bingham International, founded in 1973. References.
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